's one of these tragedies, in newtown, connecticut, there's a run on firearms. >> yes. across the country. we have places reporting the highest single day sales on record. >> and they are also reporting highest first purchase sales on record. so people are, people are understanding the fact that, to an extent, lapierre is right. once we have missed on our first, second and third redundant areas of security, and it comes to guns, the only thing that can stop a guy with a gun, a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. >> is it not totally a dystopian vision? if where we are headed, if the solution is, look, just arm everyone -- >> that's not the solution. >> but if the solution is the only thing to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun and we say we are going to miss the redundancies, then the idea of putting more and more weapons in people's hands, particularly if you're not, there's no training, right? there's no licensing. >> no, there's training. >> no, but there's no requirement for it. >> i'm just saying if a concealed carry permit there is. >> not everywhere there'